Hello, and welcome back to the Head Trash Show. This is your host, Alexia Leachman, thank you so much for joining me today.

Now on today’s show, we’re going to be chatting to Louise. Now Louise is a mindfulness and meditation teacher. And she’s also somebody who’s been using the head trash clearance method loads because we worked together. And so during our conversation, we’re going to be comparing mindfulness, meditation and using the Head Trash Clearance method to help you to reduce the stress and the anxiety in your life and basically to help you to get an understanding of how you can use these two techniques, these these ways of working with the mind together, and what they can bring you. Because there are subtle differences between these ways of working. And I think it’s really good to sort of have an understanding of that so you can decide what is going to be right for you.

So some of the things we talked about during this conversation are being an introvert, and how going networking go to networking events can be a real challenge for people who are introverts. But also confidence, and what is it that actually undermines your confidence and saps your confidence. We also talk about people pleasing and why, you know, when we’re worried about judgment, worrying about what other people think that can really lead to us people pleasing and how Louise stopped being the people-pleaser that she was before. But we also talked about how by doing all of that kind of work, you can’t release the authentic you, the real you that’s hiding under all of that stuff.

You know, when you do strip away all that head trash, the real you can step forward. And so Louise shares her own experience of becoming more authentic, becoming more herself with less of the people-pleasing stuff, less of the stuff, the introvert stuff that she thought she was before, and how this has really helped her to really up-level her business. And so it’s a really good conversation where we go all over the place, but there’s something here for everybody. If confidence, being an introvert, going out networking, being more authentic, if any of those things resonate with you, then this is a conversation for you to listen to. I hope you enjoy it.

Hello, Louise, welcome to the Head Trash Show. Thank you for coming on.

No problem.

This is fabulous. I’m really looking forward to this conversation. Now, Louise, you are a mindfulness and meditation teacher. Is that right?

That is correct. Yeah, absolutely.

So just tell us a little bit more about that. How long you been doing it? How did you get into it? You know, why do you do the work that you do?

I started my business last year, and I’ve been practising mindfulness meditation for probably on and off about 10 years and, like a lot of people I started doing it and then I was “Oh I feel better, that’s fine I don’t need to meditate again” And then gradually I learned that the key to it was to keep doing it and managing since stressful things couple years ago in my life and it was just doing it more more regularly and things started to change for me. So I’d feel a lot happier a lot more settled and just things were working out better for me so took a bit of a leap of faith, trained to be a meditation teacher that I can interchangeably do mindfulness and meditation. And and that really led me to start up my business last year. So exciting times.

Fabulous. Now just before we do move on, I would love to hear from you really how you differentiate between mindfulness and meditation because when I hear those terms, in my mind, they’re a little bit interchangeable. But I just want to know is that if I got that wrong. And is there a difference?

Yeah, it’s a really, really good question and I always give it my best shot is to what my understanding is if the difference and what makes sense to me to hopefully make sense to other people. And that is that with meditation and you are taking that decisive action to sit in practice, and to do a type of meditation, so you are going to take that time out of your day to do something which makes you relax and you know, taking any type of meditation and there are lots of them available. And then mindfulness is really you can do that anywhere. So you can do one the bus, you can do it while you’re driving. You can do it when you’re eating. You know, there’s so many different ways and that is more about being aware of the present moment and what is going on in this present moment. So just bring your awareness to that. That’s how I tend to see it.

So there’s one where there’s the purposefulness around a practice and maybe that more traditional way of sitting, doing a meditation and then mindfulness where you’re just literally being aware of what what was happening, but how that how that really does help.

So your mindfulness is almost like being present. It’s just not being not not worrying about what happened yesterday, not worrying about what’s happening in the future. Yeah. And just focusing on the person that you’re with the task that you’re on.

Absolutely, yeah. In my eyes was, in my experience, I kind of think that meditation leads to mindfulness. That’s a fair comment, like the measures it does, and actually if you do some reading, so there’s a Vietnamese very famous Vietnamese monk Thich Nhat Hanh and he talks about this. He says that mindfulness is the energy that you become when you meditate. And so that’s another way of helping to explain it.

So, so the art of meditating brings you into that mindful mindfulness state. And that also that also helps me as well. I think when I when I’m explaining and I think also mindfulness it you know, it’s it’s almost like it’s it can be thought of as a destination. Like you could aim to be somebody that acts more mindfully day to day that can be more present in your day.

Yeah. Yeah, that’s, that’s true. Yeah. And meditation can help you get there. But there are other place other other ways to get to mindfulness other than meditation, is that Yeah, yeah, it is. Absolutely.

Okay, no, good. I’ve had a good debate with somebody the other day about mindfulness and meditation, and I really wanted to get that clear. So that has totally helped me I’m sure those listening can get a lot from that as well. Now, the one of the reasons we’re having a chat is because you when I launched the head trash book, which is called Clear Your Head Trash, you were one of the first people to get hold of the copy. And then you got in touch with me to do some work together on the back of reading the book. So and, and so I was loved working with you, Louise, it was absolutely brilliant. And so I wondered if you’d be up sharing a little bit of your experience of using the head trash clearance method and some of the work we did, so that we can then have a really interesting, juicy conversation afterwards about how that compares with mindfulness meditation so that those of you listening can kind of understand how these practices can fit together and how to use them.

Yes, so I mean, we had a lot of fun in our sessions. That was you know, that’s the that’s the main thing it was it was really, really good fun and that’s always a bonus when you are embarking on something like that like this. And so yeah, so I came across the book, I think in a group. Someone had posted something you posted. I thought I’ll have a look at this book and I’ll download it so and I’ll read how to read through it and I must admit, I had a flick through and was like okay, what is this technique? How does it How does it work? And and what had it you know, it promises to deliver so much so how is that possible?

So I had had a bit of a go at it myself but wasn’t wasn’t entirely sure how to do it. But you know, I’m really only had very quick read through the book, but I thought this is really fascinating and, and in terms of how quick it said you could change things I was really interested in in that and so right okay, so I had a quick look at what you’ve got up on you on your website and and and so, you know, I’m really drawn to this or do I need to know more about it, and, and that’s when I kind of got in touch with you for a session of all I really want to know a bit more about how it works.

And so we had our first session.

Yeah, yeah. Cuz I soon afterwards I wanted to know you know,

I think you from your perspective you were dabbling and thinking, well, I’ll just give it a taste see what happens and, and pretty quickly you got in touch with me. You thought Yep. I know that this is definitely working I want to get some more of this is.

Yeah, I was amazed at how quick things changed and we packed a lot into that first session. The method is totally clearing. When I talk about clearing, it’s about clearing that stuff, and head trash is a perfect explanation of it is all of that those things that you carry around and maybe you’ve been carrying around for years. Then it’s just gone and you just you turn around and they’re not they’re not there anymore and and now feels a bit strange actually to start with because you’re so used to having them around. So yeah, the quickness with the technique worked was something I was just really amazed by. And then the fact that you can then do it to yourself I just thought “right okay this is something I can use this forever”.

So then we did some more. Are you happy talking about the main things you wanted to help with? Like there were things that you really wanted to get sorted.

Absolutely I was really looking for some confidence building to be honest and particularly in relation to my business. I come from a very corporate background and gone into a completely different area of work and I know what I’m doing in terms of what I’m delivering. I’m passionate about that. It’s all the things that go around that; all the business side of things, networking, and you know, putting yourself out there. I was always worried about saying things and sounding silly, or not being taken seriously. Sometimes I can be really serious so and I’m quite a serious person, although I have got a fun side to me. But I think I got so caught up in running a business and how serious that was and how serious often needed to be. So we worked on on that and, and I like to share after the sessions with Alexia, what and what I did after them. So I shared with her that “right okay, I don’t feel like I can’t be silly anymore. So basically, I’ve signed up for hula hooping class. And it’s really good fun. I really enjoyed myself and I just sort of let myself go. And it’s not that I wouldn’t have done that before. It was more “Right, you’ve got permission to do this. Now just go for it.”. I had permission to be silly now,

I couldn’t believe it when I got that email. I didn’t even know to do hula hooping glasses. It represents so brilliantly. The fact that you’re up for being silly now and you don’t care. Not that you don’t care, but you’re just fine with it. And being playful being childish, letting that side of you come forward is absolutely fine. And it’s joyful. And yeah, and that kind of that that’s such a great sign that you sorted that in yourself. Do you know what I mean? 

Yeah, absolutely. And it made such a difference actually. And I think it made a difference in my business as well because I was trying to be so serious in my business that maybe I was coming across as someone that was no no, I need to lighten up a little bit basically. And then you get that real you get that engagement you get people being playful with you having a laugh and a joke and it’s just so much easier than to do things. So I was really grateful for that in my business as well. So not only on a personal level, but on a business level.

One of things we talked about as well was the networking side of it. The reason that you didn’t want to go networking was the sounding serious and the whole silly thing. So what tell us what what happened. You were avoiding networking events I seem to recall at the beginning. 

Yeah definitely. Part of the nature of what I do, but I’m quite a quiet person, it can be a bit of an introvert and so going to networking events I can find a bit difficult. I find him just going into a room full of strangers and having to talk myself. But actually clearing the silliness and some other things that we worked on as well. And I just didn’t, I didn’t mind it, I saw like going to events and just thinking, “Oh, this is fine. You know, I’ll kind of be myself or not.”. And I think that is one of the biggest outcomes of working with head trash for me is that you be yourself and start to be that person that you know that you are. And also it makes you authentic so that people know that that’s the real you. That’s a really nice thing as well to come back to to being being yourself. So if people don’t always you get your thing you don’t you don’t mind about anymore you’re not you’re not worried about it. You know? There’s that lightness about being in situations that you might not may find uncomfortable before. So a big relief.

You did email me and tell me about a networking event that you’d organised.

Yeah

I know. So just for the listeners. So Louise, who didn’t want to go to a networking event now suddenly emails me saying “I don’t know what happened. But I’ve organised a networking event and I’ve got 50 people signed up to come.” So tell us a little bit more about that…

The strangest thing. So yeah, so yeah, as Alexia says, I was someone who was really, really had to build up to go to a networking event. I was almost just gonna say guided whatever that means to everyone else, but I’m going to say guided and to set up my own networking event and. I was having a dialogue with myself and again, “Really? Really? Really want me to do this?”. But it was like, Yeah, yeah, you know, so I said “Okay, I’m gonna, I’m going to do this, it’s fine, it’s fine.” And actually the outcome was that about 100 people were interested. And it’s very, it’s quite a small venue. So that was, that was a bit bit daunting but I just felt I feel comfortable doing that.

And this these are some of the familiar big changes that I feel like I can take more. I’m going to say risks but things where I was literally before doing the head trash just wouldn’t wouldn’t even cross my mind, to be honest. So there’s something about again, it’s bringing out the real me, and it’s allowing me to do things that I know I’m capable of. But there would have been those thoughts, those worries, those beliefs that have had all that time, they would just have stopped me to stop me doing those things. There’s almost like a big release of the things that I can now do in such a short space of time.

Yeah, yeah, because we worked together over a month.

The results were instant… I’m gonna say instant. Because we worked on so much over that time.

Yeah. No. Wonderful. So yeah, I’m it’s really interesting. So I think it’s really interesting for the people to hear that I bang on and on about the head trash method all the time. And I would do because I’m kind of kind of telling everybody about it. So I think it’s really interesting for me to hear somebody else talk about it. But what I find really interesting was, because if you work as a mindfulness and meditation teacher was to truly you’ve got the experience of having done a very powerful practice already. And how maybe now you can kind of see how, what the difference is what they bring to you how they can help you.

So what would you say, you know, one of the things I say in the book is that I think meditation is a really, really great tool for finding calmness, stillness, that that space inside to process things to connect to your intuition. And to really to read to grow, regroup and reground. Whereas I, what I wouldn’t do is recommend people go to meditation for stress relief or anxiety reduction, I think there are quicker ways of doing that. And head trash method is one of them. And I realise that saying that in my book, I could be opening a can of worms and offend the whole meditation and mindfulness community. But what what’s your view on that?

Yeah, and and I know, and I know, we had to really, we started to have a really good conversation about this before lunch. So I’m happy to pick that up. Because I think that in in certain ways, and meditation and mindfulness does help to reduce stress and anxiety, but everyone is different. Everyone is so differently, just it can depend on how that’s come about how long you’ve had it. What are the triggers? Yeah, there’s so many different things that make that up for a person. And one of the things with mindfulness and meditation is that everyone does know that it’s not an instant thing. It’s not an overnight thing. You can’t do it once. It will start to make you feel better, it may start to alleviate some of those symptoms, and it isn’t going to make something go away overnight. And and I think, certainly depending on the level of your stress and your anxiety, and it could take months, it could take years for it to have an effect on those things. And then I guess the reality is, which is what we talked about, is that those underlying beliefs are still going to be there so whatever you’re doing, it’s still it’s still it’s maintaining a level but there’s that stuff that still that we that we all know that we have this problem belief beneath the surface and anything could maybe anytime trigger, trigger that off. Now I had a lady come to my class. She’s been doing mindfulness for three years. And yes, it helped her massively. And it improved a lot of things for her in terms of health. But she hadn’t stopped doing it. She was still doing and she knew she needed to do it to maintain this level. So I think that’s the interesting thing. And the difference, but head trash is something that is going to is going to get rid of all of those things that triggers stress and anxiety. And that’s, that’s what I noticed. Some of those negative thoughts and beliefs are just gone. And so why would it then cause that stress anxiety?

I think the what the value of you know, having a mindful mindfulness practice in the meditation practice is giving you that space to kind of process and allow some of those stresses and anxieties, just give them a little bit of freedom to kind of do their thing and then settle. And so allowing them to do that is really valuable. But then if you haven’t got them, if you’ve cleared a lot of that, then when you do go to that practice, you can go a lot deeper with your practice and you’re not giving the space to the anxieties. I’m imagining them like little birds sitting around the room. And then so you haven’t got this space and loads of birds flying around crazy waiting to settle down, or kids in the nursery waiting for them to calm down with whatever. You can then go into that space and really, really get grounded really tap into intuition really tap into maybe some of the deeper, more powerful aspects that maybe you wouldn’t access while all that stress and anxiety is going on. Does that make sense?

Yeah, absolutely. I’d agree. I’d agree with that. And because sometimes, and I’ve done this myself in the past, you come from a place of so much stress where those things are so overwhelming that they actually you find it very difficult to get into that into that space. So if you’re if you’re releasing some of those, getting rid of some of them, gradually, you can start to realise exactly what is going on and and then get into that space and a lot easier. And another thing is I think as well as it almost it starts to bring up those things. So now I notice if I’ve been meditating that I add things to my head trash list “this is something that you need to work on” So it’s another way that you can use mindfulness meditation to identify the things that you need to work on. Because maybe they’re a bit deeper, another layer down. So that’s another way I think you can use it as well.

And I think Yeah, and I think the two work really, really well together for me, and I’ve noticed that as a result of doing so much head trash clearance, I am much more mindful in day-to-day living because I’ve lost those worries of the past and the future. That’s the head trash, the stuff that’s stopping you from being present. Once you’ve cleared it. You can therefore be present which means you can be more productive with your tasks. You can you can be present with the people that you’re with, you can stay focused on things and not procrastinate like maybe you used to because all the it’s all the stresses and anxieties that make you procrastinate. It’s the fear based stuff that may be stopping you from taking action. And so the head trash clearance bit and really strengthens your ability to be mindful and therefore makes you a better meditator. And so they work really well together definitely. And identifying the next thing to work on as well. I like what you said that like that some emails that you said to me, like, “Oh, this came up today, and I know I’m just gonna add it to the list.” And the more you clear your stuff, the more you recognise when there is a trigger happening and something that’s taking you off from that calm place, that mindful place and what stirring the pot and you go, “Oh, hang on a minute. This is this is this is affecting me. I need to add that to my list to work on it”. And so your self awareness increases as a result of this practise.

I think and I think as you clear more and more. And either there’s maybe not so much on your list at them in it. And it’s just less stuff isn’t there? So it’s a bit easier because at the start, it’s almost like you’re in a crowded room and yeah, “why is there so much of this stuff about? What do I work on?” And then suddenly got a shorter list, which is a lot nicer, say anything, oh, well, I’ve got these and then you can kind of just nice and calmly add something on to the list rather than trying to work.

And also, it’s quite a fun. I’m finding it quite fun to just go “Oh right. Okay, that’s getting on the list. And I might just clear that now.” I might just do it. And then it’s gone. It’s a feeling of empowerment, actually to be able to go, but I’m not going to have that in five minutes time. So that’s why this Yeah, so it’s a very powerful thing.

Knowing that you can just bat things away relatively easily and it might just take you five minutes. Depending on how long you need to do it, and you just need to find a quiet spot. I mean, you know, for those people that don’t follow my work in birth, I’ve got my podcast of Fear Free Childbirth podcast, and I used this technique in between contractions to clear fears that came up. So I had a three minute window and I cleared stuff while I was busy. And so this is how you know this is how quick you can do this kind of work. And when you’re used to doing the technique, and it’s really familiar to you.

I think the thing is that as much as they said the things that have been there a long time sometimes you don’t know they’re there until a new situation comes along and then you suddenly think oh, but you need to get rid of it now. Like childbirth, you haven’t got time to wait. You haven’t got six months to work on it. You need to, you want to go straight away. Having control over that gives you the confidence straightaway to go “Hold on a second I’m gonna deal with is fine.”

So would you say your confidence has improved and as a result of doing this?

Yes, definitely, definitely. I think we talked about it at the beginning. A lot of it is then you don’t realise when you’ve got those beliefs, and things that are maybe your triggers. And you don’t realise it they’ve kind of made it made you up into the person that that you are and as you start to get rid of those you start to go back to maybe someone that you remember being. So I remember being confident in this situation. I remember having been really productive and been able to do things because I knew things were going to be alright and so it’s just situations and things that have got in the way and giving you those beliefs. So you started to rediscover the best bits about yourself. And then they they fix the you remember making making you up and then I think that’s where it comes back to that being or you become authentic because you’re not worrying so much about those things.

Yeah, I think my my other half he said because you’ve become more you.

Yeah.

Which sounds really interesting as a way to put it because it’s like, at the moment, those of us who lots of head trash are kind of diluted, we’ve got all this head trash in the way and it’s about you know, making there’s a picture of somebody and then in front of it, there’s all this fuzzy nonsense that you can’t see the person and then you start clearing it one by one, you just see more of the person step forward. And it’s undiluted in that. And the thing that makes you awesome your talents, your strengths, you’re finding that whatever it is that that is you as a person, and it just comes to the fore which means as a business owner for you, it means you can inject more of you into a biz.

Yeah, exactly.

And have a unique point of difference versus other people that are all trying to fit into this mould  This mode because of the fears, the shoulds, the “oh I should appear like this I should appear serious, because no one’s going to take ME seriously. I can’t be silly because then they will think this”. Whereas now you’re like “well i’m going to be silly because it’s me and I don’t care what they think they don’t like me I’ll go find somebody else”. And these are all really powerful ideas that can support us in whatever work we’re in.

Yeah, definitely. And I really like you said it’s you coming back to to you is that almost being a different person and incorporating all of that into into your your business which was my main objective but actually what how I’ve benefited personally. It feels like a dramatic change. When other people notice you it has got to be something where you’ve made a big difference.

And have you noticed anything in your one-to-one relationships?  Because of the lack, the lesser worries going on about what other people think, or being able to maybe be more mindful. Are you noticing maybe some deeper connections with people or are you able to form new connections?

Yeah, I think, I think because I’m not worrying about that judgment. Yeah, you, especially when you going into new things where you’re putting yourself out there and saying, well, this is what I do, and I’m good at this. And it’s a daunting thing. But actually, when you got rid of some of a lot of those things that you were worried about, and when when when you are not worried about what other people are thinking about you. Actually yes, you do get then have those better connections because actually instead of all of those things going around on in your head, you’re listening that other person. You’re engaging with that person, and getting to the bottom of what you’re there to do, which is to help that person or support that person through a journey. And so, so yes, that’s where it’s gonna be really helped with those connections in business and personally I think

And there’s a flip side to that I think we talked about already before where where if you don’t feel that instant connection because you know when you meet somebody you kind of have a sense don’t you whether you’re going to get on in the first five minutes and the sometimes you go I’m never going to get on. We could spend all day with each other go through whatever difficult situations and we’re never going to bond. There isn’t a natural connection whatever however you want to describe that energetic connection but whatever it is, it’s not there. And what I’ve what I’ve noticed in myself is that if I don’t spot that vibe pretty quickly that I just give up on doing anything. I think there’s no point wasting time here and I just move on. And you’re nodding… Is this what you’re noticing as well?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. And in the past I would have worried about that and I would have spent the rest of the day thinking “did I upset that person? Why didn’t they engage with me? Maybe they don’t think I’m good enough. Do you know?” All of those things that play over and over in your mind. Actually, you don’t need to know I’ll just I’ll just accept it. It’s an acceptance. It’s a weight off your mind, really. It’s an acceptance that you’re going to get on with people, some people you’re not going to get along with. And and that’s fine. And that’s absolutely, absolutely fine. And it all works out fine. And and I think something you said you said is you know, you’re almost not putting in so much energy.

And and that always feels like a physical energy as well sometimes because you, you know, when you try so hard to do something, or try and make this person engage with me. It’s exhausting. It can actually be really tiring. And so what you then doing is you’re, you’re saving all that energy, for working with those people who are the right people to work with and the right people to connect with and that’s time-saving and there’s such a better way of working, a better way of being with people I think.

And some people struggle with that in me. I think when they if I don’t look like I’m making the effort with somebody. There is no judgement there. I’ve just accepted that there’s never going to be anything there. And I’ll just save my energy for those where there is going to be a connection where we can bring something to the party both of us and and and feed off each other’s energy. That’s such such as much more enriching as an engagement in the relationship whether it’s a personal one or business one and to be okay that’s not gonna work and move on. And and just be drawn to those that you do really generally connect with. You just don’t waste as much time and energy

And I think being okay with that. That’s, that’s the biggest that’s the big difference, isn’t it? And we talked about a lot of the time so it’s not that we don’t care. So yeah, it’s not that you’re not a caring person. It’s not that you don’t care about individuals. It’s there’s just something there that you know he can connect with it say and and they’re going to feel the same if they want you know if they want it about it on.

So it really helps a little the whole people-pleasing nonsense that a lot of people waste valuable time, effort, energy headspace on which I think is a big thing for a lot of people.

Yeah, yeah.

I’d love to have a little bit of a snippet of before we go. Now you’re saying you’re adding things to your list. So how often do you think? We worked intensely for that month, you were clearing the stuff, I was clearing stuff, it was a team effort. And so that’s sort of really got you on to a good path. And so since then, how often are you dabbling with clearing? How is it a weekly thing for you now? You know, for other people to get their head around this?

Yeah, so I think I’ve almost set myself a target to clear three things a week. Three things might not necessarily come up every week. But I think he’s just to keep that there’s almost a discipline there isn’t there to say, right? I’m gonna, I’m gonna commit to doing this and why wouldn’t you when you get the results that you do? So, I guess I figured a couple of days I’m thinking right okay, shall I do something today and and just slotting it in to what I’m doing? And because it really literally takes five if you only do one, it takes me less than five minutes of it, isn’t it? And I guess as over time, that’s going to become less, isn’t it? And you might I might end up doing one a week depending on what what comes up. And but there are also as we’ve talked about some things where there’s a situation that’s already triggered something enough for now, I want to I want that to be gone before I go to this thing, although you will before I do this thing. So So yeah, so there’s a combination of things that are on my list. I know to work on and other things that come up straight away that I feel I need to do.

And just going back to what you said about it going to reduce over time. That’s a really lovely idea. But as somebody who’s been doing this for a number of years now, it does, and you go through periods of like not really doing anything, and then you go deeper with your work or you because you’re being more fearless and stepping forward more, you hit new stuff. You’re pushing yourself more so you keep hitting the newer the deeper beliefs that may be you know, and so you move forward in the work.

I don’t think you can sort of say, “Oh, yeah, well, it is a finite amount of trash and at some point, I’m going to get to the bottom of it” because life goes on you have new experiences, you have new situations. And you know, and also you have new stuff that you’ve never experienced before that’s hit a wall you didn’t know you had. But obviously only if you’re putting yourself in those new situations. So yeah, you can go times where you think “Yeah, yeah, we’re good.” And then suddenly, bam, you hit something.

Yeah. And that’s a really good point. Yeah. And it’s in, it’s a good thing to accept, and that you’re always going to be working on it. I think that’s a really good thing. And you’ve made a really good point, I think, which is about when you start to push yourself, which I feel like I’m now doing things that I wouldn’t necessarily wouldn’t have done. Then new stuff comes up because yeah, you’re putting yourself in completely different situations. But where did that come from, but it’s something else to deal with.

That’s fine. You got the tools. So you know, just kind of deal with it. And so I think the challenge I have now as somebody who’s been doing it a long time is having someone else. It’s sometimes be hard to unpick your own stuff. Yeah. So having somebody else there to go “you’ve got this, this and this going on”. That can really help and I think one thing that you said with the work is when we when we started working together, right, I created a big, long list of stuff that I I’d said that you needed to work on based on the intake form. So that before Yeah, so you had enough we have a nice long list to work on. And I sometimes would like somebody to do that to me. Even though I’m really self aware but other people can see your crap much more than you can.

Yeah. I definitely benefited from having the sessions and the book. And definitely, it’s all in the book. And it’s very descriptive and very understandable. And I guess it depends on you you as a person. I think I’m somebody who’s like “Right, I need you to do with me”, you know, almost have a hand-holding and then I’ll be fine. And that’s where those sessions were really, really valuable. And, and also, like you said, the list that we worked on, and just gave me today, what was it about 20 about 20 things on this level? Maybe less but straightaway, you’re like “Okay, I’ve got homework!”. Having someone else who has that different perspective. So you can just go yo I think this is what’s going on and validate in
which was really important.

Brilliant. So well, thank you Louise for sharing all that and talking through this through with me, especially the comparison with mindfulness meditation. And really yeah, I found that really interesting to hear that as well.

So now if anyone is interested in your work and wants to track you down online. Where can they find you online?

Yeah, so and my web addresses is www.stillcalm.co.uk. And, and on there is all of the things that I do that I offer. So I do classes, I do group work, I do individual work, I do workshops, and I do also work within employees and around building resilience to change and introducing mindfulness and in the workplace. Please do have a look I have a Facebook page as well and and Twitter and LinkedIn so you can find me

So thank you once again for joining on the head trash. It’s been brilliant.

Thank you very much.